Failed HMK extraction of 1.9 sub (tried forever)

[heardc]

Hi, I using a Duron 1200 256 MB DDRAM WinXP computer, using the Jaycar Phoenix Programmer.

I have a F*XT*L sub card identified as "IRDETO ACS V1.9" in FMCard400. I have been through all of the tutorials and remedies for extracting the HMK out of a 1.9 sub card using fmcard400 and ird2calc (both downloaded from your files section) but still have serious problems no matter what i do. I've outlined the errors i have been getting below:

At 6Mhz in fmcard400 Method 2 (programmer also set to 6Mhz):
After about 15 seconds, the "From Card" light lights up and stays lit for a while, then

"Card Error" lights up red. A message comes up: "Internal Error. Process aborted at step16." The program then disconnects.

At 6Mhz in fmcard400 Method 1 (programmer also set to 6Mhz):
After about 2 seconds, the "Internal Error. Process aborted at step0" message comes up.

At 3.5Mhz in fmcard400 Method 2 (programmer also set to 3.5Mhz):
Very slow but when the card errors came up (three times) the program still continued to run. I left it alone until the status bar filled up to the end, then a message box came up. It said something about Exceeded FF value. Would you like to try 00 again. (Something like that). I pressed yes and after a long time the status bar filled up again, then gave the same message as before about FF and 00.

At 3.5Mhz in fmcard400 Method 1 (programmer also set to 3.5Mhz):
After about 2 seconds, the "Internal Error. Process aborted at step0" message comes up.

Below are the settings i used:

Programmer Settings:
COM Port: Com-1
Programmer: 6 Mhz (Also tried 3.5 Mhz)
Invert [not checked]
Delay: 0

Program Flow:
Ignore Card Errors [checked]
Reset card after each CRD [not checked]
Read Card after "r0" [checked]
Disconnect after a Gold W/R process [checked]
Rx Timeout: 1

Misc:
Allow "Exit" if "Connected" [not checked]
Separate Bytes [checked]
Always Reset Programmer CRD Window [not checked]
Use Shift Level Byte (use it in all functions) [not checked]
Use second "HMK Dump" method [checked] (Also tried first method)
Enabled File Logging [checked]

I also tried using ird2calc 1.25 i can connect then the program starts running. Initially, the HMK displays 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 then after running a few minutes, most of the hex values change to something static except for the 6th hex value which stays at 00 and the program seems to be looping infinity. The HMK stayed at XX XX XX XX XX 00 XX XX XX XX where XX were some hex values. I left it alone for 6 hours and the program
was still looping and outputing the same kind of junk in the message window.

Another thing. When the ProviderID-00 date changes, does that affect the extraction of the HMK? Otherwise do i have to stick the sub card back in the decoder then take it out and try extracting the HMK for every attempt i make?

I can get the ASCII serial, hexserial, provid-00, date-00, provid-10, date-10 and the coco but cannot get the hmk no matter what i try.

I've also tried using FMCard400 in Win98SE (Second Edition) and still get the same problems as above. Maybe i should try windows 95. hah

Even tried changing the Com-1 port settings in device manager:
Bits per second: 9600
Data bits: 8
Parity: None
Stop bits: 1
Flow control: None

Advanced settings for Com-1:
Use FIFO buffers [checked]
Receive Buffer: High (14) All the way to the right
Transmit Buffer: High (16) All the way to the right

Any helps please? Thanks.

Heard.

[wobbly]

Dunno if you already saw this thread..

http://sat-industry.net/forums/showt...&threadid=1849

Could be an XP problem.

[heardc]

Hi wobbly. Thanks for your reply. Yep i've seen that page so many times i've even archived the html code on my desktop for reference :o)

I wonder if anyone else that has the Jaycar programmer, has successfully extracted a hmk from a 1.9 sub using FMcard4 or ird2calc in Xp..

Heard.

[wobbly]

I will firstly assume that you are using the programmer in phoenix mode...

If this doesnt work... Have you got Windows 98 available? I have read here and on other forums about the problems with 1.9 cards and XP and the solution has been to use 98.

Hope this helps

[wassamashraf]

do u on the programmer and set it to phoenix mode
at 3.5 mhz com port 1 open this file

[heardc]

Thanks wobbly and wassamashraf. I know how to change to phoenix 3.5 mode as i've stated in my 4 tests above (2 in 6mhz and 2 in 3.5mhz modes). However i still get the same problems in Win98se.. does it matter that it is the second edition?

Thanks.

Heard.

[Scooterpig]

Interesting reading here heardc and not the first time this sorta thing has happened...sometimes they just wanna be bitches 1.9's and you've struck one unfortunately.

First off No 98 SE shouldn't make any differance at all, in fact either should XP really, but as I said some 1.9's can be a pain in the ass.

With Ird2Calc - did you try an extraction in both 3.5 & 6.0 mhz mode?

The date change shouldnt affect you trying to obtain your HMK, so forget that for the moment.

All your settings for FMCard & ird2Calc ar all ok so you don't have the problem there. Have you been able to read any other card with your set up?

If still no good try and try again, it should work in FMCard Method 2..

[Topcat]

Hi

Just to give you some confidence, i am able to read my 1.9 using the Jaycar via 98, without issue. So its unlikely the Jaycar is the source of your problem

So it may well be, as Scooter suggests, a difficult card.

Keep at it though, as the prize will be that much sweeter

Regards

TC

[heardc]

Cheers Scooter and Topcat for your encouraging replies

This is the only sub card that i've got, so i'll keep trying and trying and hopefully some divine intervention gets this rebellious 1.9 card cracked.

When i used IRD2Calc in xp it was kinda strange. From a clean boot to xp, if i run the program once then click connect, i get a "No programmer found" message. I then quit the program and restart it and click on connect again, then the buttom right text box turns pink and gives out these numbers and most of the easy stuff like HSN, etc come up in the left side. Having clicked on the ACS1.9 button, i get a string of zeros, which change to proper hex values. Strange thing is that 9 out of the 10 bytes are changed and only 1 byte (the sixth one) didn't change. I wonder if these 9 bytes are valid. If so, i'd only need to trial and error the HMK 256 times heh

Oh also i used the 6mhz mode for ird2calc when i did that 6 hours ACS1.9 thing i described before. The longest i've done of the 3.5mhz mode using ird2calc is about 2 hours. Both gave that 9 out of 10 byte change thing.

Would getting a new sub card from foxtel help? Could just give an excuse and said i lost my card and then pay for a new one... or would that be identical to the current one i have?

Thanks for all your useful replies. Much appreciated.

Heard.

[Scooterpig]

heardc - keep plugging along there mate, it will happen..

No real point of getting another card from them, unless of course you want another one to play with......but it will probably be another 1.9 for you to yell at..lol....and they have probably read this post and waiting for the phone call and gunna think they can catch you out..

It's pretty common with XP that a few programmes come up with the error of 'no programmer found' and then you try again and it works. With that you will work out a way with each programme and order to get it reading and working properly and stick with that method. As for you waiting sooooooo long for it to read the HMK, that's not usually the case, so you definately have struck a bitch!

Just for your info usually the best method for a 1.9 is Method 2 in FMCard.

Let us know how ya go..