Dear administrator...about forbidden keys...

[vaszio]

Dear administrator,

Why can't we right everything we want about sattelite hobby including keys? I think that anyone express his own opinion and has his responsibility. Exchanging links between us is illegal? sharing files too? then why kazzaa is still working? Do you think the companies will close a site for his forum? If they do that all the world will learn that viewing satellite tv can be free. Before Metallica run after napster very little guys knew it... Then came audiogalaxy...then kazzaa and so on. They know that cutting one head gives bitrh to thousand others... like lernaia hydra from hercules myth... I will respect what you ask as. You are the master here. But I will try to find a completely free forum and so I think many others. I came here from another one saying the same things, now very few rights to it. You are the best forum in satelites. I suggest posting an agreement while we register that we accept full responsibility for what we right and post. I also suggest a pay pal account helping to keep alive this site. I fully respect you and understand you but I thing that from now on we must try different language sites different langauge learning because in all the other languages satellite chat is free. Thank you for listening to me. You can delete my account as well but I was trying to be honest with you...

[Astra_Boy]

No keys to be posted or requested - end of discussion
This site is FREE - we dont want peoples money or paypal accounts,if your missing your channels so bad how about paying for a subscription?
You can exchange PMs no one is stopping you
You can also look for another site,again no one is stopping you
We have a Dutch forum added here and may look at adding others if the demand is high enough and we have moderators who also speak the same language
You want to donate money then you say that satellite chat should be free ? i must be missing the point ?
If you would like your account deleted just let me know i can also do that for you

[fiberspeeder]

Both points of view are resonable but I think that not all people that came here have the money or the chance to buy original cards to see various channels or packages.

I personally am from Eastern Europe and my monthly income is close to 100 Euro. Yes, 100 euro or 120 USD per month and 90% from citizens in my country have the same or even less that that. That's very sad for one job with 8 am -18 schedule every day.

Please make a fast calculation what I can pay to view some channels with original subscription.

I agree that watching paid TV is illegal and admins of this forum must not admit this thing but they have to understand that ... after all... information must be free... here or somewhere else.

That's my point... if someone is offended by some words please remove my post.... someone will say these words few days later again and again ...

[Michelangelo]

Originally Posted by fiberspeeder

Both points of view are resonable but I think that not all people that came here have the money or the chance to buy original cards to see various channels or packages.

I personally am from Eastern Europe and my monthly income is close to 100 Euro. Yes, 100 euro or 120 USD per month and 90% from citizens in my country have the same or even less that that. That's very sad for one job with 8 am -18 schedule every day.

Please make a fast calculation what I can pay to view some channels with original subscription.

I agree that watching paid TV is illegal and admins of this forum must not admit this thing but they have to understand that ... after all... information must be free... here or somewhere else.

That's my point... if someone is offended by some words please remove my post.... someone will say these words few days later again and again ...

Hi there,

Its all valid in this game.. as Nokia states - in a Private message is OK, but not public. The PAY-TV network people read forums too and if they see a key in the public domain, they change it - its easy for them and hard for us. By making keys public, we are shooting ourselves in the foot and letting the network provers stay one step ahead of us ;-)

Just my 2 cents

[vaszio]

Well if PM's are ok then I agree with you administrator.
Paying for sat packages isn't always so easy for all of as that's why this community exists. In my country there is only one bouquet with only 6 good channels and it costs 55 euro per month! Piracy in cd's and dvd's showed the companies that the can reduce the cost and then piracy stops. So free sattelite view is a matter of hitting the big companies and showing them that they can reduce the cost and gain the game.
Michelangelo has put the things in a correct base showing me an option I haven't thing. I fully agree with you Michelangelo.
When I say free chat I meant "freedom in chat" which isn't against donating money. But again if PM's are ok then I understand your point. Now about language, well speaking other languages makes it more complicated to the companies while they speak two or three more common languages only.
Thank you for not deleting my post and my account, that remindes me that the soul of sat-industry is a free, democratic man.

[fiberspeeder]

The PAY-TV network people read forums too and if they see a key in the public domain, they change it - its easy for them and hard for us. By making keys public, we are shooting ourselves in the foot and letting the network provers stay one step ahead of us ;-)

Just my 2 cents
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I know about this and I know that somehow we must protect the keys that some people work hard to decode.

But: really, I mean really...

How hard do you think it is for a multi million dollar company to find out the keys of their encription if they are found?

I guess they have members on all sat forums isn't it? After all... they are losing bucks...

And, to be realistic... most of the codes and keys to decode pay tv are provided free to us in 90% from cases by the opponent multi million coding companies that are fighting for their part of the encription deal...hehehe... is a circle that will never end... they are eating one each other like sharks... and we like it...

[gangel]

Originally Posted by Nokia_Rulez

No keys to be posted or requested - end of discussion
This site is FREE - we dont want peoples money or paypal accounts,if your missing your channels so bad how about paying for a subscription?
You can exchange PMs no one is stopping you
You can also look for another site,again no one is stopping you
We have a Dutch forum added here and may look at adding others if the demand is high enough and we have moderators who also speak the same language
You want to donate money then you say that satellite chat should be free ? i must be missing the point ?
If you would like your account deleted just let me know i can also do that for you

ΤΑ ΧΑΙΡΕΤΙΣΜΑΤΑ ΜΟΥ ΠΑΤΡΙΩΤΑΚΙ ΚΑΛΑ ΝΑ ΠΕΡΝΑΣ

[vaszio]

Oloi mazi tha spasoume to kolonova

[hemertje]

english guys!

[boxhead]

So the site owner should just take the risk of being sued by various multinational companies so everyone can have free tv ?

I am sure the attitude of some would change if they were being held legally accountable.